Posts by Sea Breeze

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BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT FALLING ANYMORE? (NEW LIGHT FROM THE ANNUAL MEETING)

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/rsbfa_7lqv4?si=muuxmgtll1n1ifad.

the watchtower’s babylon the great: a shrinking reality?.

so this latest annual meeting introduced a new idea about babylon the great, and here is the part from geoffrey jackson's talk we real need to dig in and consider it's ramifications..... so you’ve got to hand it to them; they know how to keep things interesting with their ever-evolving interpretations and, of course, those classic "adjustments" in understanding.

Sea Breeze

Now, let’s break this down. Why would the Watchtower want to position themselves in a less extreme light? Well, for starters, they don’t want to look like a group of doomsday fanatics.

Well, its too late for that.

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

Sea Breeze

@Rattigan

The living worry about the resurrection but the dead don't.

The dead in heaven are awaiting a resurrection. 2 Corinthians 5:8, which suggests believers are "away from the body and at home with the Lord".

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1975 debacle

by Gman2001 in

did the borg ever apologize for 1975?.

Sea Breeze

I turned 13 in 1976 and the world was still here. An entire generation of teens never believed another word their parents and elders said. They wondered why the kids were so "rebellious" in the late 70's.

Now, all the oldtimers that pushed the 1975 hysteria are mostly all dead and us kids are in our 60's. They all acted like it was no big deal after the prophecy failed. But, if you were a kid counting the months until you were likely going to be killed by God, it was a REALLY BIG DEAL.The kids weren't stupid. They could see how rebellious the parents and elders were in promoting the false prophecy (against biblical counsel otherwise).

The rebellious teens wre just following the example of their rebellious parents and overseers.

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Are There any JW Teaching that you DO Agree With?

by NotFormer in

(apologies for the typo in the title.

"teaching" should read "teachings".

i misread vanderhoven7's most recent post as being the above.

Sea Breeze

@Witness007

Trinity is nonsense

JW's cannot and will not explain how a man can raise himself from the dead without being God.

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Blood decisions are now your problem: WT JULY 2025

by raymond frantz in

the following is from the latest study watchtower july 2025, study article 28, paragraph 17:.

each christian must make up his or her own mind about whether to accept or to reject these fractions.

we may find it a challenge to understand this matter fully, but making decisions like this is part of the load that each of us must carry.

Sea Breeze

This JW elder lost his life because of the ban on organ transplants. A few months later, WT finally said that organ transplants were a conscience matter. In other words, not a disfellowshipping offence. Now, no one even remembrers when the organ ban was, much less the people who died supporting the whims of some gb members.

Same thing will happen to the ban on blood, just a matter of time.

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The Big Secret

by finishedmystery in

when the gb brought a formal end to all the type/antitypes in so many ways it could be said that they brought the religion to an end.

the other sheep/anointed teaching that leads to a two class religion was originally based on two antitypes--the jehu/jehonadab relationship and something about the cities of refuge.

in that 2014 annual meeting talk david splane even specifically stated that the cities of refuge has no antitype.

Sea Breeze

Why do they make everything so ruddy complicated?

It is a disorientation technique. Because of this, Most exjws just throw their hands in the air and say they don’t know what to believe.

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What is really Babylon the great?

by Halcon in

for believers of god and christ, it seems that it should be obvious that babylon the great of revelation should be all religions and spiritual practices associated with the one true enemy of christ...the devil, satan, the snake etc.

essentially any group or individual practicing and promoting witchcraft, sorcery, devil worshipping etc.

all things practiced in ancient babylon (the nation presumably used as the model for the one in revelation).. or is this too simple of an explanation?.

Sea Breeze

Babylon the Great is the end-times chuch. It is called the Laodicean Church in Revelation. After the rapture, this will be whatever is left. The true church of believers have been evacuated to heaven and the Laodicean Church is what is left - the empty husk of the Christian Church after the rapture. We are NOT in the Laodicean Church period just yet. Jesus is still in the churches.

In Revelation, Jesus is walking "among" the churches except for the last one. There, he is seen as outside the church and knocking on the door asking to be let in.

Even during the GT, Jesus is knocking on the door of the church and peoples' heart, asking to be let in.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

Other than you reading of this in the Greek Scriptures, what proof do you have that this ever happened, or do you just believe that it happened?

@Duran

Earlier in this thread I invited a poster to google non-biblical sources for the life of Jesus. Doing that will reveal over 100 sources from Romans, Jews, Greeks, and other Secular documents. Did you do that? Why not? Is it the fact that historians can completely reconstruct the primary events of Jesus' life including his death, and resurrection from these non-biblical sources?

Duran, atheists used to make these kinds of outlandish claims denying the historicity of Jesus a few decades ago, not so much now. This is the internet age. The game has changed. It has made it a lot harder to find places to hide from God.

@SlimBoyFat

Jesus announced that he was in two places at one time. He was on earth and in heaven simultaneously. How did he do this if he wasn't God? Was he lying about this too?

"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven". - John 3: 13 (Jesus trying to educate one of the teachers of Israel)

Also, I'm wondering how you get around this scripture:

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8: 9

I can't imagine you inviting the spirit of Michael the Archangel to take up residence inside of you. But, God's word makes it clear that if you aren't born again through membership in the new covenant, which allows the Spirit of Christ to reside in a person, you are "NONE OF HIS".

Does this warning concern you?

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

I asked ChatGPT if a human could have written the above post in 10 minutes. This is what it said:

No, a human didn’t write that from scratch in 10 minutes

@SBF - Have you at least tried asking ChatGPT how Jesus could raise himself from the dead? This is what it said:

"Divine Nature of Jesus: In Christian doctrine, Jesus is believed to be both fully divine and fully human. As part of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), Jesus shares in the divine power of God. This means that, from a theological standpoint, Jesus has the power to perform miracles, including the power to raise himself from the dead. In John 10:17-18, Jesus himself says, "I lay down my life... No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again."

You seem to really be bent out of shape on this issue and missing the larger picture. For most believers, they are thrilled to come to a point where they accept the historical fact that Jesus raised himself from the dead and that he freely offers the same gift to all others. The prospect of unending life with God, relatives, God's creative ingenuity in an environment filled with peace and love is overwhelming.

It makes no difference to me about the exact nature of God after he proved that he could raise himself from the dead. The point is that he did it.

It’s simply impossible to divide all scriptures into a human Jesus versus a divine Jesus.

Aw, this is the Strawman that has you in a pickle. This is precisely where you are stuck - an either / or conumdrum. Why are you stuck at this juncture since the bible claims he is BOTH? You won't even comment on the prospect of Jesus being both fully God and Man. This would solve your dilemma. Instead, it appears that you would rather think of Jesus as a liar rather than God.

I suspect that the real problem you have is not with the nature of God, but with your own nature - the one with a soul, body & spirit - like Jesus taught. The idea of unending consciousness after death is terrryfying enough to suppress most anything. The human mind is capable of all sorts of delusions in the face of facts to the contrary if it feels threatened enough.

For the atheist and many heretics, this is the true object of their faith: The hope of nothingness after you die if you are rejected. For the atheist, this faith (credulity actually) is so strong that they would rather believe in fantastic miracles as opposed to the facts available to us surrounding the resurrection:

1. Existence comes from non-existence

2. Order comes from Chaos

3. Life comes from non-life

4. Personal comes from the non-personal

5. Reason comes from non-reason

6. Morality comes from matter.

Have you come to a similar point where you would rather believe Jesus to be a liar rather than accept how God made you to be a tripartite being in his image?

Take John 10.18 itself for example. Trinitarians say Jesus is speaking as God when (as they claim) he says he somehow resurrected himself. But they say he is speaking as a human when he says he is commanded by God. So which is it, the human or the divine Jesus talking in this verse? It doesn’t work.

It doesn't work for YOU because you reject the tripartite nature of man. If Jesus is BOTH God and Man, I would expect to hear him speak from BOTH points of view.... exactly as he deos in scripture.

It doesn’t make any sense, because there are two major problems with that, 1) God can’t give up his life

Where did you get the idea that God can't die? Not the bible. If he can bleed, he can die.

Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. - Act 20: 28 KJV

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

Moreover, the idea that Nicene Trinitarianism “replaced” a supposedly earlier angelic Christology is a distortion. The Council of Nicaea did not invent the divinity of Christ—it formally clarified what the Church had always confessed in the face of the Arian heresy, which was a novel deviation, not a recovery of earlier tradition. The creed articulated the eternal generation of the Son, “begotten, not made,” and insisted on his consubstantiality with the Father, because this is what had been taught by the apostles and preserved in liturgical and theological traditions.

aqwsed12345,

As usual, you have provided a mountain of evidence confirming the divinity of Christ from the earliest apostolic times.

The storyline that heretics are really restoring lost and forgotten truths is a total fabrication.